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| lentilbean17 unregistered |
 posted 11-23-98 07:01 PM
I guess I am a newbee, so to say, but I have been readin and readin and readin about how to make my own honey, and I think I am now a lot more educated about chemistry, but a lot more confused about what I set out to do. Can anyone suggest which of the milions of methods might be the easiest to try first, or would require the least amounts of equipment and complicated reactions, even if it is low on yield?? thanx, all your help is much appreciated... |
| Bright
Star Member |
posted 11-23-98 09:55 PM 
Benzoquinone method. Then SodiumCyanoBoroHydride (NaCNBH4). Need : Benzoquinone, PdCl2, NaCNBH4, several available solvents. Not much glass. Do several searches, and look on the Serious Board. But most importantely, have fun. |
| Casper58 Member |
posted 11-23-98 10:40 PM
If you're gonna do the benzoquinone wacker, get a mask and some gloves. Maybe some eye protection. That benzoquinone is some nasty shit. A ghostly friend of mine spent 2 days tryin to unclog his nasal passages and it took a week for the red/black stains to come off his hands.. nasty nasty nasty peace Casper |
| Strike Administrator |
posted 11-24-98 01:11 AM
Yes, the black hands. Mark of a true chemist. Funny how neither latex or nitrile gloves will protect against it. The dust/vapors of the benzoquinone seem to work their way into the glove from the wrist and react with the sweat inside. Wouldn't know what it's like to have even partial nasal inhalation though. You see, there are poison stickers all over that prodcut and its packaging. The MSDS says no breathing. Therefore hood is manditory. Only fool would fail to notice this. P.S...Strike just finished seeing "Fear & Loathing in Las Vegas" for the zillionth time. It has to be the funniest movie ever made!!!! |
| Casper58 Member |
posted 11-24-98 03:22 AM
Strike: hahaha.. maybe my ghostly friend should've asked for the MSDS sheet. just use regular kitchen cleaning gloves. They work well.. no stains. Casper |
| Mister Member |
posted 11-24-98 09:03 AM
Someone who isn't Mister wants to dream of honey. Before she started dreaming, she did some homework on organic chemistry and then proceeded to gather up necessary equipment and chems. Now over the past two months she's been doubtful she can do the Al/Hg amalgamation after hearing countless stories of failures from the hive. What can Mister tell Miss. the route to go to obtain honey, if Miss. is seeing MDP-2-P(PdCl2/Benzo.) and MeAM. HCl in her daydreams. Does anyone have any sucessful dream refererences on the Al/Hg amalgamation or any suggestions on other methods. |
| Bright
Star Member |
posted 11-24-98 09:37 AM
Well, I think that the NaCNBH4 is a capitol idea! Capitol! |
| r2d3 Member |
posted 11-24-98 09:52 AM
As long as your ketone is ketone, and your MeAm is MeAm, the Al/Hg method as written in TSl or PIHKAL works just fine. There are several variations which can improve yields, but get one that works every time, and work from there. |
| Semtex
Enigma Member |
posted 11-24-98 10:39 PM
Shit, you mean it would bee bad for one's health to try and use that bezoquinone without a fume hood? Is the shit worse than mercury compounds? And this color stain people are talking about, you mean it's worse than kool-aid drink mix? |
| Casper58 Member |
posted 11-30-98 03:08 AM
Semtex Enigma: If you read the MSDS sheet about benzoquinone, it states that it is an irritant at low levels, but it is a carcinogen. From my ghostly friend's experience, using a face mask and holding your breath works fine. You could wear eye protection, but it doesn't irritate your eyes that much. Gloves is a must if you don't want to walk around with black/brown/dark red hands for about a week. Also, what i've noticed from experience is that after you flood with water and if you choose, begin to vacuum filter, the DCM/benzoquinone/hydroquinone/oil/crap likes to leave a residue on things. Like, if you do it in your bathroom with the door closed, what will happen is that some faint red residue will be on your counter and stuff. At least you'll know what to expect when you perform the benzoquinone wacker. When my ghostly friend began trying this step, he had no idea the toxicity of benzoquinone or the crystal formation after flooding peace Casper |
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